20 minute nap :(

[Straffles]

Help! Benji just pulled a 20minute nap. I've tried to re-settle but he's not having any of it.

What does this mean? I have no idea, he gave no signal of being either OT or UT.

However, I stretched him to this new AT of 3HRs 15mins 5 days ago. He did his usual 1HR nap for four of those days. One day he did 30 mins but DP had put him down at 3HRS 20mins, so OT.

What now??

Thank you ladies. Yet again!

[ZacsMumme]

we had these randomly (once the reflux pain was gone) for 2 reasons
1) teething..
2) developmental.....7.5 months is that right? - COuld be in a developmental leap wonder week Is he trying to crawl or anything like that?

If its the morning nap then i would try a 1hr50min or so A to the next nap, but I bet youll get another short one if so then go for 3 shorties and EBT
If its the PM nap then I would just do EBT....maybe 6pm?  HTH

[Straffles]

Thanks as ever Sara!

He was SO crazy and frantic this arvo - playful, screeching, occasional tears. Got him to sleep at 6.30pm.

When i got him up, he was immediately rolling over, pulling his knees up under his bottom and trying to push up with his hands, so it cd be developmental as you say. He's nowhere near crawling yet though I don't think, since he can't sit up on his own yet... (Don't think it's teething)

Just wondering about that 1HR 50AT if he pulls a 20 minute again. Usual AT is around 3HR 10/15, so wouldn't I want it a bit longer?? Sorry, I just have NO idea when Benji is tired or not since his signs are impossible to read...

[ZacsMumme]

They are all diff but in the 2-1 which we hit early Z could do 2 hrs to BT on a 20-30 min CN which he had some days after his main nap...

[Straffles]

Wow, really? I got Benji to sleep 3 hours after he woke. Slept til 2.30am, then woke at 5.30!! I fed him and put him down and he's still awake so getting him up at 6.30.

Does this mean he was overtired?? He usually wakes at least once overnight (well, he's been waking once the last week-ish only, and then early at 6am - usually 7am).

I was worried that if we started teh day earlier, it wd get earlier and earlier. What now?

And what do you mean Sara when you say that he could manage that 2hrs after the 20minute catnap? I mean, Benji was upset and frantic but always manages to collect himself if I take him out...

[ZacsMumme]

I guess what I mean is that when Z was small he would do rubbish naps and I struggled to know what A time worked after these. Typically 35/45 mins throughout the day meant shaving off some of the next A time, how much was tough to know.

However, once we were in the 2-1 and he had a day like this
WU 7
Nap 11-12.30 a CN was needed to get to BT without OT so a CN was offered ~4hrs after the nap for 20/30mins
CN 4.30-5
BT 7 In the 2-1 support thread a lot of mums said 2-2.5hrs A after the 20/30 min CN to BT was typical and up to 3 hrs A after 35-40min CN
Tweaking away - 2hrs to BT worked well. Z moved to 1 nap relatively early (11mths the CN was gone) and looking back I think anything linger than that really would probably make an LO under the age of 9 mths OT by BT....KWIM?

Obviously some Los just cope - textbook angels are unlikely to be a mess, or NW/EW as much as a touchy LO which is what I had then

So I guess I was suggesting that anyting more than 2 hrs on a 20-30min nap (esp if the PM nap was the bust) would/could make LO OT.....you can only do your best though and we had days where we got 1 45 min nap all.day.....you just write those days off

[Straffles]

Brilliant brilliant advice Sara! I must bookmark this. I feel prepared! Always do after reading your posts, and then something else unforeseen happens lol.

I think that so long as each day is a new day and the mistakes from the previous day don't accumulate, I feel it's all possible after all! And if I could sleep, everything would be different

When you got those CN refusals, did you keep him up effectively from 12.30 til 6?

[ZacsMumme]

When you got those CN refusals, did you keep him up effectively from 12.30 til 6?

yup, but he was in the throes of the 2-1 by then and most days or at least 50% of the time he was napping 2.5-3hrs (11-1.30/2) so I didnt have to worry about it that much KWIM? We had a few CN refusals, but I did them in the car - jsut drove 20mins with him with his lovey and paci and if he wasnt asleep after 20mins I took him home for EBT

LOL its probably not the greatest a advice but it may help you as it seems your Lo is LSN and high A times like Z was in the 6-12 month period of his life FWIW he is still napping 1.5-2hrs a day at almost 2 so really once you get onto 1 nap which I suspect you will have before 12 months things DO get more consistant and tweaking is less stressful.

And if I could sleep, everything would be different

Now this is a problem mummy! Are you not sleeping because your worrying? - I didnt sleep from anxiety about Zs sleep and reflux...it nearly killed me. If your honestly not sleeping at all, or waking and cant get back to sleep please try to address it before you hit a wall like I did

[Straffles]

I'll reply more fully later but I just want to say that atm this pm nap has me foxed.

I just don't know when to put him down. I'm going at 3HRS 14 (!) cos it worked for 5 days but not for 2 (the 30 min then 20min nap). He's not settling now and I just don't know what to do or what it means. He didn't make up for the lost sleep yesterday from his EBT.

What is it and how the hell do I know when to put him down now? I thought OT and that I cdn't possibly move him to a longer AT cos DP did one day extend by 5 mins and we got the 30 min nap. I just don't know where to go from here!?

Thank you!

[ZacsMumme]

Hugs Maybe try pulling the A right back to 3 hrs if you suspect OT.