2-1 short am/long pm experience please

[Aishi]

Yay for the success with morning feed!

I think that sounds reasonable plan for today. Iiwm I would aim for 13h day and be ok if it takes a bit longer...my niece is doing similar atm- 1.5-2h in the am and 30 min pm cn

[jessmum46]

Today we did

Wu 6.35
Nap 9.30-10
Nap 1.30-2.20, got an AP resettle in car 2.35-3.15 - I *think* this was an UT waking though could be wrong, he was in great form all morning and only started to yawn/look sleepy 10 mins before the second nap
BT 7pm (I chanced it!)

Will see how the night goes and report back.....

[jessmum46]

Ok it wasn't a bad night, he was unsettled on and off for about 40 mins 03.40-04.20 but went back off until 6/6.15ish.  Yesterday he seemed a lot more tired though, he did similar naps 9.30-10 and 1.30-3.20 (1h50) but was pretty cranky in the afternoon and shattered by 7pm BT.  Last night he was more unsettled around 21.15/45 and 2ish, up at 6.05 this morning and a bit grumpy.

What do you make of that?  I'm back to thinking actually the 50 minute wake-up the day before was OT, not UT and yesterday he just crashed for a longer nap.  If it was a good restful nap he wouldn't have been so tired afterwards right? 

He's shattered this morning, tried to fall asleep on my shoulder so I think we need a longer first nap or an earlier second one.  Is it really silly that I'm too scared to bring the second nap earlier again?  I wonder if it's worth trying to stick with 9.30 and 1.30 as set times and just fiddle with the length of the first nap to try to get 1.5h from the second? 

Failing that i think I'm going to have to concede defeat and just go for long am!!

[amayzie]

Have you tried the 1pm nap? An earlier nap MIGHT help.. i would probably err on the side of earlier nap and bed time rather than longer first nap. You want to be making that one extinct- lengthening it probably won't be the best solution... don't know though

[jessmum46]

I'm dithering and doing nothing consistent is what I'm doing

I had wondered about trying the 1pm nap, but I'm a bit scared to!  Because unless he naps for at least 1.5h then we're back to a pre-6.30pm BT and given he has rarely ever done more than 11-11.5h (though I will accept that if he has been consistently OT then this may have had an impact) that puts us back at pre-6am WUs which really is rubbish . And was leading to grumpy parents and grumpy toddler too from being woken up so early.

Today's grand master plan.... .... He slept 9.30-10.15 (I woke) and I'm shooting for 1.30pm again. 

Thanks for sticking with me! 

[jessmum46]

Oh for goodness sake......

Wu 6.05
Nap 9.30-10.15
Nap 1.30-3.30
Bed at 7

Woke up all.night.long.  Awake 4.25 for an hour, only settled once I put him in bed with me, then up for the day 25 mins later at 5.55 .

I am totally lost.  Is that UT? Massive OT?

[jessmum46]

Girls I admit defeat.  It's a total disaster and B just cries and whines constantly he's so tired

I'll start a new thread but would appreciate some help changing this round to a long am routine if anyone has time xxx

[Martini~]

Katherine!
I have to tell you that... stop:)!!! There is so many reasons why he could be crying/moaning not only OT. F was moaning and crying through whole first year of his life and I doubt he was constantly OT. Btw until today, to sleep well he has to be tired... Some kiddos are just like that as they cannot communicate with surroundings well I think so they are clingy or moaning.

Don't try to blame yourself for his OT. Don't blame yourself for his bad mood. Maybe he is a Grumpy child...? Maybe his mood is not connected to only sleep/food? Maybe it is his personality?

Regarding sleep, maybe going with his cues for sleep is not the best option for now? I couldn't never follow F's as they were always misleading...

[Aishi]

Ugh sorry hon things are still so rough .

Is B fairly low sleeps do u think? I can tell you what my niece is currently doig if that helps. She's 10 mo and has only recently been st and put on easy so were still tweaking but this is what her day looks like

Wu 7.30
A 3h50/4h
Nap 11.20-12.50 capped at 2h
A 3h
Nap 30-60 min depends on first nap (we aim for 2-2.5h total nap)
A 2.5-3h
Bt 8/8.30 depending on pm nap length

Hth!

[jessmum46]

Thanks girls, he's just so different when well-rested yk?  Which means his mood can't *all* be personality.  Honestly he's the sweetest little guy and when he has slept well he is totaloy angelic, but he's clearly not getting the rest he wants or needs right now.

Marta I agree cues isn't the way forward.  But set times isn't either.  I just have no idea.

Today after a bad night he did:

WU 5.55
Nap 9.30-10 (I woke thinking too much sleep yesterday)
Nap 1-2.05 - gave him a while, was unhappy but didn't resettle (never does if slept an hour or more)

So he'll be shattered by 6.  And will wake at 5 with a 6pm BT.  Just can't win.  Sorry I'm struggling