Author Topic: 20 mo old long NW (Read 5524 times)

JennVanessa1083 · « **on:** February 07, 2017, 11:26:16 am »

I accidentally removed my last post 😕

Anyways, wondering about an EASY for a 20 month old. DS has been teething canines for what feels like forever. Finally they are all poking through and slowly coming in. One is newly poked through and might be causing our present issues. He also is on recovery from a heavy bout of illness last week or so. We have been doing this roughly but with illness I followed very loosely.

WU 7:30 am
S 1/1:15 pm (1.75 give or take 15)
BT usually almost 5.75 A

The last few nights been having erraticNW and tonight a 2 hour doozy. Today went like this:

WU 7:30 am
S 1:15-3 pm
BT 8:45 pm

NW 12:10; 1:45; 4-6 am 😳

Last two nights have been tossing and turning a lot in and out of sleep with odd NW where he doesn't cry unless you try to get him back to sleep.

Saturday:

WU 7:54 am
S 1:30- 3:45 pm (A 5:36; fell asleep so quickly after wind down)
BT 9:26 pm (A 5:41; drifted within 5)

NW 12:35; 3:50; 5:45; 7:15

Sunday:

WU 7:58 am
S 1:27-2:55 pm (A 5:29; car)
BT 8:41 pm (A 5:46; took more than 15 minutes)

NW 12:45; 2 am; 5; 6:50 am

Not sure if it's time for a tweak or just teeth finishing up. Thank you!

jessmum46 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2017, 16:30:40 pm »

Hiya, I would think with recent illness and teeth in the mix that could well explain things, and I'd be tempted to stick with usual routine until both of those things have passed. If you are still getting NWs when he is better I wonder whether you might do better with a set BT, rather than a set A time post nap? It's always worked better for mine that way - by making bedtime later when he naps longer you are kind of taking away the opportunity for catching up from him as any extra sleep he has taken at naptime (bear in mind sleep needs will vary a bit day to day) is taken a way from the start of his night. How about an 8.30pm set bedtime and see how it goes?

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2017, 15:00:00 pm »

Thank you Jessmum.

I can definitely give it a go. I think I may shave off 15 minutes before bedtime bc he tossed and turned a lot last night and gave me a EMW after a 1.75 nap and a 5.75 A to bed whereas the night before he slept through with slightly less A (5.5 rather than 5.75 after a 2 hour nap). So maybe he's slightly OT before bed.

I'm going to stick to (hopefully haha):

WU 7:15/7:30 am
S 1/1:15-3 pm
BT 8:30 pm

A slight tweak to see and then ride it out until as you said his teeth are fully out and his cold is completely gone. I want to set the bedtime at 8:30 ideally. So is it that no matter how long he naps even if it's longer, stick to BT?

jessmum46 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2017, 15:28:32 pm »

Yup that's the idea. You let him just sleep for nap, and keep BT the same regardless. The only time you start changing things is if you start seeing a consistent pattern of him being harder to settle for bed after longer naps - at which point you may cap his nap, e.g. wake him at 2h if he hasn't woken naturally x

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2017, 18:33:50 pm »

Ok cool!how long do I wait before saying ok this is not working for him?

jessmum46 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2017, 14:19:46 pm »

I think at this age you need to stick any changes out for a good week at the minimum, preferably two before reassessing x

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2017, 18:40:57 pm »

Great! I'll give the set BT a try. In terms of nap is going by A time ok? What I have been doing is A time of 5.5-5.75 (which is usually 1 pm give or take 15 minutes) or no earlier than 12:30 if he has an EMW.

jessmum46 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2017, 19:32:36 pm »

If it's working then I would think it's fine - mine have both had set nap times (give or take) on one nap as it just makes the day predictable but if A times isn't causing any issues then stick with it x

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2017, 02:00:12 am »

Lol I'm not sure if they are. I mean in general we stick really close to the 1 pm nap time.

Today went something like:
WU 7:30 am
S 1-2:35ish pm
BT 8:30 pm (took almost a half hour which is long for him bc usually it's around 10 minutes)

Not sure what that's about. He was in a good mood during the bedtime routine 🤔🤔

jessmum46 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 16, 2017, 08:01:41 am »

Who knows! See how you go in a few days and let us know x

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2017, 12:03:00 pm »

This is Day 4 of EW? I'm doing set 8:30 pm BT which averages out to 5.5-5.75 A after a 1.5-1.75 nap. He's only sleeping around 9 hours including 3 NW a night. Hes basically waking every 2-3 hours from the point of BT. He's clearly tired but fights going back to sleep. To the point of closing his eyes super tight then reopening. Is there some sort of developmental leap around 20 montgs? It's like this week he decided he's not going to sleep.

We did move this week and his two last canines are growing in (they have broken through already). I give him a dose before bed. In the daytime he's in a general good mood, very active and joyful with some tantrums but nothing crazy. He does get fussy in the evening and yawns a lot when 7-7:30 rolls around.

Not sure what to do 🤔

jessmum46 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2017, 13:43:25 pm »

Put him to bed for the night when he's tired at 7/7.30? It sounds like 8.30pm is too late for him right now....what do you think?

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2017, 01:32:17 am »

Ok I can try that since he's up at 6:30 smh

My nanny couldn't get him down until 1:30

He slept for 2 hours and unfortunately I tried for 8 pm since I got home from work late. He fought sleep for a half hour ugh. That's a 14 hour day. It's not looking too promising.

jessmum46 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2017, 14:37:37 pm »

Hope it wasn't too bad x

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 18, 2017, 01:58:21 am »

He had 3 NW; woke at almost 6 and tossed and turned a bit then slept until 7:15. Nanny said he didn't nap until 1:30 and slept until 3:30 pm. I tried sticking to 8:30 BT and he fought sleep for a half hour drifting off at 8:50 pm. Then gives me 2 NW and a EW of 6:45!

I doubt he was OT already after a two hour nap right? I didn't put him down earlier bc I thought waking up at3:30 after a 2 hour nap would mean he would need a 13 hour day so BT 8:30.

I don't know why he keeps giving me these crazy nights grrrrrrrrr

jessmum46 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 21, 2017, 20:11:12 pm »

Ugh it is so annoying isn't it? How have things been since that night?

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2017, 18:37:41 pm »

Better no more long NW. He is still waking though but I figured out that he's OT even on long naps bc the days become too long. I'm trying to keep it max 13 hour days. It's hard bc the nanny sometimes has trouble getting him down which ends up pushing the day out.

I'm trying to stick to the following for a week to see.

WU 7-7:30 am
S 12:45/1pm (1.5-2 hrs)
BT 8-8:30 pm

I was trying set nap and it seemed to cause refusal at BT or OT nights

jessmum46 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 27, 2017, 13:47:08 pm »

How has it been going?

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2017, 17:59:46 pm »

Some nights are better than others. I notice if he goes to sleep too late then we get restless nights including longer NW. Also my nanny let him nap for 2.5 hours which caused a longer day thus a restless night.

He has one canine that's not all the way grown out. He's drooling and moaning in his sleep, could that be the canine or is it a sign of second year molars 😳 He's about to be 21 months.

jessmum46 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 02, 2017, 15:49:30 pm »

Could be either - both mine had all their teeth through including 2y molars before they were two...

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 03, 2017, 12:13:14 pm »

This week we have been having horrendous nights. Can you take a look as I am trying to figure out what it could be.

Sunday:
Total 10.5

WU 7:01 am
S 12:46-2:30 pm (A 5:45; drifted in less than 5 minutes)
BT 8:13 pm (A 5:43; took almost 5-10)

Monday:
NW 12:05; 1:30-2:45
Total 9.5

WU 6:58
S 1-3:30 pm (A 6:02; Petra
BT8:54 pm (A 5:24)

Tuesday:
NW 12:50; 4:30-5
Total 9.5

WU 7:03 am
S 12:46-3:09 pm (A 5:43; fell asleep in minutes; woke at 1:25; woke him at 2:20)
BT 8:51 pm (A 5:42; took more than 10 minutes.)

Wednesday:
NW 10:35; 2:30;3;3:-4:40; 7:45
Total 10

WU 8:45
S 1:56-3:37 pm (A 5:11; drifted easily; woke him)
BT 8:57 pm (A 5:20; fell asleep within 5-10 minutes)

Thursday

NW 1; 6
Total 9.5

WU 6:16
S 12-2:30 (A 5:44; Petra)
BT 8:22 pm (A 5:52; resisted sleep for 15 minutes)

NW 11:30; 2:30; 4:30; 5:45

This whole week he's been restless at night,mornings but. This morning he woke up crying at 5:45 but managed to go back to sleep. Not sure how I should adjust.

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 06, 2017, 11:46:57 am »

Any suggestions? It hasn't gotten better. He only got about 8.5 hours of sleep last night. Is he OT or UT or both?

His EASY is supposed to be:

WU 7:30 am
S 1-3 pm
BT 8:30 pm

With all the crazy wake up times I can't seem to stick to it.

I'm getting long NW and EMW. This can't all be teeth can it? I'm so exhausted. I feel like we went from a regression to canines and now whatever this is. 😣

jessmum46 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 06, 2017, 14:23:45 pm »

We had both with teeth, DS was a horrible teether

There is a possibility that it could be UT but I'm always a bit hesitant to suggest that if teeth are in the mix as cutting sleep can make things worse rather than better. I guess that you could always try cutting nap slightly if nothing else working and see what difference it makes? But think about whether there are any other possibilities in terms of discomfort too - a cold, tummy upset?

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 07, 2017, 18:53:56 pm »

I think it may be a mix of teeth and UT.

Yesterday he was with our nanny. I told her to put him down at 12:30 so his routine remains somewhat consistent.

WU 6:15 am
S 12:35-2:30 pm
BT 7:20 (asleep)

He did much better even though I think he was a tad OTdue to the extra long day.

I'm trying this to see:

WU 7 am
S 1-3 pm
BT 8 pm

Does that seem ok? I tried today and he woke up super cranky despite napping for two hours. Should I give it a couple of days or am I just wrong and go back to the old routine?

Update:

It's 2 am and he was up since 12:30! He had restless sleep up until that point but didn't wake. He kept fighting sleep; tossing and turning would drift then jolt awake. This was today:

WU 7 am
S 1-3 pm (woke up super cranky and very clingy)
BT 8:20 pm (fought sleep for 20 minutes; maybe I put down too late?)

Seems like he was OT bc of the day? Ahhhhh I'm ripping my hair out from sheer exhaustion. Between the regression and canines, the last couple of months have been so unpredictable in terms of sleep.

jessmum46 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 10, 2017, 16:15:45 pm »

I would stick with the routine you planned for a week and then re-evaluate if needed. I think it looks reasonable but if bedtime continues to be tough I'd try shaving 15-30 mins off the nap. DS could still do 2h at this age without it affecting bedtime, DD had her nap capped to 1.5h and it was often closer to 1h x

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 11, 2017, 12:55:06 pm »

Ok I'll give it a bit longer. We had a EMW of 6:45 am but I think it was bc he took his nap with the nanny at 5.5 slept for more than 2 hours making him too wired for bed so fell asleep at 9:30. That makes a nearly 14 hour day with a 6hr A to bed 😳

My question is when he takes his nap earlier and sleeps for 2 plus hours should I stick to his normal A to bed? I find that 5.25-5.5 is the sweet spot unless he does a longer A in the am then it's closer to 5 hrs.

jessmum46 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 11, 2017, 14:36:22 pm »

I've always done set bedtime I'm afraid, so not much help there. You may just need to experiment x

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 12, 2017, 18:17:13 pm »

Lol I want to go that route. So how long did it take for yours to adjust to that? I want a set time of 8 pm ideally.

It seems UT is at play or itsalso developmental. He's given me short nights of 9-10 hours with 2 hour naps. Seems not enough but he wakes up happy and sometimes talks in his sleep and gives me longer NW. I'm wondering if I should move his nap slightly earlier and shorter then bed. So:

WU 7 am
S 12:45-2:30 pm
BT 8 pm

Does that make sense to try? I'm trying to avoid cutting the nap lol

jessmum46 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 13, 2017, 19:34:00 pm »

They never really adjusted...it was really what we did from the start (I just found it easier to manage that way!). I'd give it a go and see

But yes if you are getting very short nights and/or chatty periods at night it may be time to shave a little off that nap length....

JennVanessa1083 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 17, 2017, 17:46:36 pm »

Ok I'll give it a go. It seems some days he wants an earlier nap and some days he fights it until an A of 6. Weird thing is that he must have been OT from a bad night but fought sleep for a half hour so went down at 6A but gave me an OT nap. He didn't show any signs of tiredness or didn't tell me he wanted sleep which is what he does if he wants an earlier nap. I guess I put him down too late today.

I should mention he is now sick...again lol

jessmum46 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 18, 2017, 20:21:49 pm »

Oh yuck

get well soon x

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Author Topic: 20 mo old long NW (Read 5524 times)