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HELP - 16 week old fights naps!
« on: September 18, 2005, 18:30:26 PM »
I don't know, if this post belongs here or in the "naps" thread, so I will post to both!  Our very spirited son is 16 weeks old and we have taken away the binky, cold turkey.  It was causing frequent night wakings for replacement so we just decided that the best way for everyone to get some sleep was to remove the problem.  At the same time, we started using Tracy Hogg's techniques (sh-sh-pat and p/u-p/d) to help soothe him through the rough patches.  We started all of this four days ago.  His night time sleep is improving, he only woke once after his DF, at 3am and he played in his crib until 4am.  Then he made started crying so we went in to help him out.  He was stuck at the bottom of the crib and just needed some repositioning.  Once he was moved, he was out cold, on his own!  He woke again at 5am and with some persistence and crying, we got him to go back to sleep until 6.  He played until 6:30 and then I fed him.  This is a far stretch from the every one to two hour wakings for soothing.  That was how last week was.  We didn't let that go on for very long, before making the decision that he needs to learn to soothe himself, but we are not fans of the CIO method, so here we are.  

Anyway, my real reason for being here.  We have been able to sh-sh-pat him back to sleep pretty easily at night, b/c he is still groggy mostly.  But his naps, whoa!!  What a different story!  He does NOT want to go down and fights me so badly that I often want to give in and stick the binky in his mouth.  When he used the pacifier, he would go to sleep so easily.  Now, he's like a demon child. I am waiting for The Baby Whisperer book to arrive, I just ordered it, so in the meantime, I want to make sure I am doing this right.  For a 3-6 month old, when doing p/u-p/d, are you supposed to soothe until he is calm and then put him down or p/u and then p/d immediately?  With him going cold turkey on the pacifier, I wonder if I should be more flexible on this??  I am so afraid of creating a new sleep crutch, if I don't do this right.  Also, he ALWAYS wakes up at the 45 minute and 1 hour mark of his naps.  I have to sh-sh-pat him through that, sometimes with a HUGE struggle and lots of crying.  He really needs 1.5-2 hour naps and if I persist, I can always get him there, but no always easily.  Does anyone have any advice for getting him past this hump?  Today he managed to get by it himself and sometimes he does, but not usually.  I guess I could go in before I expect it and catch him before he gets really awake, but wouldn't that be hindering his ability to soothe himself?  Since this is all so new,  I'm not sure what is right and I don't want to confuse him by starting something and then changing it on him.  Help!!

Jessica with Grayson - 16 weeks/1day
Grayson born 5/28/05
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2005, 18:50:44 PM »
Just had to reply to your message. Sadly not with any advice but just because I went on for the exact same advice myself as I have just started to go cold turkey on my 16 week old girl's dummy (pacifier). She has been demented but is now laughing thank god. I have been so worried I am psychologically damaging her. I will keep reading this site for advice. Best of luck. Keep me posted.

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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2005, 19:11:44 PM »
CorPen,
Well, at minimum, maybe we can support each other through this awful process?  If either of us finds something that works, we can share words of wisdom, or perhaps just by venting our frustrations here!  I've been trying to get Grayson to use his thumb, even though I would LOVE if he never needed anything at all.  It doesn't seem to matter anyway, he can't coordinate his hand enough to hold his thumb in his mouth long enough to use it for soothing.  He's a pretty frantic baby...

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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2005, 20:15:21 PM »
Only 10 minutes of screaming when I put her to bed for the night! (it is 8pm here.) I am dreading what is ahead so am about to join her to get what sleep I can.
I have decided not to worry about all the pick up put down issues that you were asking about. My main thing is to wean her off the dummy then worry about what other problems I may have created in the process of doing this!
All the best.

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2005, 20:42:42 PM »
CorPen,
I hear ya, I do the same, if he goes down at 7pm, so do I, he he.  It's the only way to get sleep, since you never know what lies ahead.  People think I'm nuts, but they don't have sleepless babies, like us, right?!  I hope your night went well, keep me posted!!

After getting some clarification on the p/u-p/d method, I have found it to be much easier than I was making it originally.  I was letting him cry, picking him up and then immediately putting him back down, crying or not.  This would make him even madder.  Grayson is only 3 1/2 months, so I found out that the p/u-p/d process for him includes holding him until he calms and then putting him down.  For his most recent nap, we were able to do it with minimal crying.  And actually, he mainly fussed and twisted, I would pick him up and he would calm immediately, so I would put him back down and start sh-sh-pat and if he would fuss again, I would do it all over again.  His fussing/crying would take longer and longer to start with each p/u-p/d.  It worked like a dream after about 5 tries.  No hard crying and fast asleep.  Now, since I know that he often wakes at either the 30/45 minute marks or at 1 hour after I put him down, I am going to actually go in there right before and wait for him to stir.  If he does, I will pat him back to sleep immediately, catching him before he's even conscious!  This should work.  It will be time consuming, but if it will save us a lot of time and heart ache in the end, it's worth every minute.

Let me know how you guys did!!  I'm crossing my fingers that you are both sound asleep, as I type this!

Jessica
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HELP - 16 week old fights naps!
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2005, 18:30:17 PM »
Jessica,

Sorry I have taken so long to reply but Morven (my wee girl) has been keeping me busy!
It actually hasn't been as bad as I was expecting. The 1st night she cried for an hour between 3 and 4am. Last night she woke at 5.15am and without the dummy I couldn't get her back over and had to feed her. During the day naps have been hard but they always are! Thanks for your clarification on the pu/pd method that should help. I should do the same for nap times as you suggest. Morven only sleeps for half an hour 3 times a day!!
I hear a wee baby getting girny for a feed so better dash. Will speak again tomorrow.
Hope all is well with you. Take care

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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2005, 19:00:38 PM »
Corinne,
Glad to hear things are looking up!!  YEAY!  Perhaps she will require a feeding here and there to get past the lack of a dummy, just be careful not to create a new sleep crutch for her with that.  If you aren't consistent, just uding it once in a while, it shouldn't turn into a crutch.  

We had a good napping day so far.  We got a 2.75 and a 1.5 hour nap out of him so far today.  I had to do p/u-p/d a few times, but only 2 min of sh-pat afterwards, not bad!

He wakes a few times at night still and it's random whether he will go back down easily or not.  Last night he woke at 3:30 and was fussy until 4:30.  Even though he fell asleep, he was restless in his sleep.  Then he woke again at 5:30am and 6:15am.  We started our day at 6:15, but didn't have a feed until 7am. He was surprisingly fine with that!  So perhaps over time, we can push the waking to 7am too.  One day at a time though, right?

I hope you girls have a good night.  My Dh will be away tomorrow night for the night and I am already dreading it...     :cry:

Jessica
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2005, 21:28:13 PM »
Jessica,

We have had a great day here! Morven up at the crack of dawn again but without the dummy I can't get her back to sleep. The thing is we used to feed her about 6am so it is only half an hour before that but it is hard to face the day if you have been up since 5.30 am!
I put her back to bed (talked herself to sleep in half an hour) then she slept for an hour. She took 2 other half hour naps. I know it is not a lot but I have to say she was so happy and content all day it makes me think it is all she might need. Once I get into a better routine of putting her to sleep I will try to see if I can extend the naps. One step at a time.
I am delighted that the dummy is over, they are all in the bin (Hooray). She seems much more contented without it, seems it was more my crutch than hers. It is nice to leave the house without having to make sure I have a supply of the darn things!
Well it is nearly time for me to head to bed as usual. Take care. Sounds like you are doing great.

Corinne

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2005, 19:45:31 PM »
YEAY CORINNE!!  Success on the dummy front!  I hear ya on the 5-5:30 wake up time.  I just posted a separate thread about that myself!  

How do you get her to stay awake so long without going into meltdown mode or becoming so overtired that she doesn't go to sleep well or stay asleep?  I kept Grayson up for a little over two hours this morning, what a mistake!!  He was awful to get down and then after 40 minutes of napping (he normally takes at least 1.5 hour naps) he was up crying.  It took me another 40 minutes to get him back down for the rest of his nap.  I contribute this restlessness to being overtired, because this isn't normally the way he is.  

I'm glad things are going so well for you guys!!   :lol:

Jessica
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