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I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
« on: July 31, 2006, 22:53:11 pm »
i would love some input if anyone has been here, done this . . .
due to a variety of reasons, I want/need to wean my 3.5 dd from exclusively bf to formula bottle fed.  After struggling with the decision, I now find that dd won't take a bottle- formula OR breastmilk. She used to take a bottle during the late evening feed, but once that feed stopped, we stopped giving her a bottle every day.  She would still take one occasionally if I was out, but since I have three kids, I'm not out much!  Then two weeks ago she refused and screamed! when dh tried giving her a bottle.  since then, she's taken maybe 3 oz. from a bottle at one sitting, in spite of trying every day for a week.  The other times she's screamed so horribly she could barely calm down enought to bf.  We've tried the suggestions in the "how to get your lo to take a bottle" thread to no avail.  Dh has tried, I've tried.   Now, in addition to wanting to wean her, I feel totally trapped!  When my DS was 5 months old i weaned him- (he screamed when I tried to give  a bottle) I just replaced the afternoon bf with a bottle.  The first few days he screamed and refused, but I could give him solids.  After a few days he took that bottle, and bf the other times.  then over the next few weeks I totally weaned him.  DD #2 was angel baby- weaning was no problem.  I was hoping to wean slowly with dd#2, but she gets out of control so easily, I have two other kids to deal with, and we are not doing solids so i can't rely on that if she misses a feed.  DH is taking older two kids camping on Wed. and i will have three days with just babe and I.  I'm thinking instead of trying to do it gradually, i might do cold turkey and stop bf and only offer bottles from now on.   Has anyone done a cold turkey wean?  Was it horrible?  I will pump so I dont' get mastitis, but I'm wondering how hard it would be on bub.  any input would be appreciated greatly.
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I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottled
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2006, 06:14:05 am »
Gracie3 - I had a look in the 2nd BW book for you as I remember Tracy had printed a guide on how to go feom breast to bottle in a few days max.

Please let me know how you get on.
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From Breast to Bottle:
The First Steps of Weaning




There are two factors that influence what happens when you try to introduce a bottle: your baby’s reaction and yours, the impact on your your mind and body. You might want to introduce a bottle because you’re ready to wean your baby entirely, or because you want to make your life easier by replacing one or more breast-feeding sessions with bottle-feeds. Either way, you’ve got both factors to contend with. The older your baby, the harder it will be for you to get her used to a bottle in the first place if she’s been exclusively on the breast. But with older babies it also will be easier for your body to adapt to the change, because your milk will dry up more quickly (see box, page 126). At the same time, though, a lot of murns have a strong emotional reaction to reducing the number of breast-feeds and, especially, to quitting altogether.

So let’s take the baby first. The procedure is the same for one who’s never had a bottle as it is for one who had one several months earlier and now seems to have forgotten how to drink from one. 1 get tons of emails and calls from mums who have struggled with both problems. Here’s a posting from my website:

               Hi, I am mum to a six-month baby boy. Does anyone have advice on introducing the bottle? I don’t want to stop
               nursing but I need a break. He will not entertain a bottle, we have been trying far the last twelve weeks. I have tried almost
               everything, cups, bottles, breast milk, formula, etc.


Twelve weeks! That’s a lot of coaxing and cajoling and frustration—— yours and your baby’s. Obviously, this mum is not in a hurry. Imagine if she had to go back to work, as many do! For example, I remember Bart’s mum, Gail, who breastfed her son for the first three months and then called me: “1 am going back to work in three weeks and would ideally like to breast-feed in the morning, late afternoon and evening and then use bottles of formula for the other feedings.”

Regardless of whether you’re switching to a bottle and plan never to breast-feed again or you want to do only a few feeds a day, my advice is make sure you’re ready, stay the course, and steel yourself for a bumpy day or two. Of course, if your baby is 6 months or older, you might consider going straight to a trainer cup and skip the bottle. But if you decide to go ahead...

Find a type of nipple that most closely resembles your own.
Some gung-ho breast-feeding experts warn of “nipple confusion” and use it as a reason not to give a bottle before three or six months of age (depending on which book }~O1t read). If anything, babies can be confused by flow, not the nipple itself. Pick a type and if your baby takes to it, don’t keep switching nipples. it ‘s enough for her to adapt to a bottle; she doesn’t need you to experment with nipples, too—unless she starts choking, sputtering or gagging. If so, buy the slow—release type of nipple, which is specially designed to respond to her suckling actions, as opposed to the standard types, which drip into her mouth even when she stops sucking.

Start with the first bottle of your baby’s day, when she’s hungriest. I don’t agree with people who suggest starting when your baby isn’t very hungry. What’s her incentive to accept the bottle if not hunger? Expect to he anxious yourself, and expect that your baby is going to be resistant and ill at ease, too.

Never force the bottle. Look at it from the baby’s point of view. Imagine what it is like after several months of sucking on warm, human flesh to taste a Cold rubber nipple for the first time. To make it more enticing (or at least more like your body temperature), run warm water over it. Push it gently into the mouth and jiggle it on his bottom lip, which stimulates the sucking reflex. If he doesn’t take it within five minutes, stop, or you’ll give him an aversion to it. Wait an hour and try again.

Try every hour the first day Be persistent. Any mum who says she’s been at it for 12 weeks, or even 4 weeks, is not really keeping at it. More likely, she tries for a day or two—or even a few minutes——and then forgets about it. ‘Then she starts feeling tied down or she’s worried about leaving her baby with a sitter. So she tries again. if she doesn’t commit to staving with it every day, it’s less likely to work.

Let Dad or Grandma, a friend or a nanny give it a try, but only when you’re first introducing the bottle. Some babies take bottles from others and absolutely refuse it from their mums. it’s a good way to get your baby started, but its not something you want to foster. The idea of giving a bottle is to have the flexibility. Let’s say you’re out with your baby and you’d rather not breastfeed. You won’t want to have to call Dad or Granny in every time. Once she’s accustomed to the bottle, you give it to her, too.

Expect—and be willing to ride out—a hunger strike. If your baby refuses the bottle altogether don’t whip out your breast. I promise. your child wont starve to death, which is what all mums fear. Most babies will take at least some food after three or four hours of not getting the breast, I’ve seen babies refuse bottles all day long, holding out  ‘til mum comes home, but those are the exceptions (and they don’t starve either). If you’re persistent, the trauma of introducing a bottle is over within twenty-four hours. Some older babies, usually Grumpy types, can take as long as two OF three days.

Thereafter, always give a bottle at least once a day
. A common mistake that others make is not sticking with at least a once—a—day bottle. Babies will always go back to their original feeding method. So, if a baby starts out breast-feeding and, say, his mum had to go to the hospital for a week, and he was bottle-fed during that time, he’d know how to start right in again. Though it’s less Common, if a baby starts out with a bottle and then Mum decides to breast-feed, that baby will always be comfort¬able with a bottle as well. But they won’t remember the second method you teach them unless you keep it up. I get mums all the time who tell me, “My baby used to take a bottle but seems to have forgotten how”. Of course, she has – it was a long time ago. In such cases, the mum has to start all over again, using the above method to reintroduce the bottle.




Spotlight in the Trenches

Making the Switch

Janna, a television producer I was working with, had been leaving work every day, driving 30 miles in traffic, in order to feed her 7-month-old baby, Justin. She was at her rope’s end because now she really wanted to have the flexibility of a bottle. At my suggestion she  gave  Justin a  feed before she left for work and left a bottle of pumped milk for the nanny to do the midday feed. But Justin refused and went on a hunger strike. Every time Janna called home to see how things were going, she heard Justin crying in the background “I thought he was starving I don’t think I have suffered through a day as much as that one.” When Janna walked through the door at 4 that day, Justin was still screaming for her breast. She offered him a bottle instead and when be pitched a fit, she told him calmly, “Okay you’re not hungry now.” By 6, he was willing to take the bottle.

Janna called me afterward and said, “I’d like to breast-feed him tonight.” “You can’t,” I stressed, “unless you want another hunger strike on your hands tomorrow.’ I told her to keep up the bottles for 2 days and after 48 hours, she could resume giving him the bedtime feed.



There’s one other piece of advice I have about taking steps to begin the weaning process: Make sure you want to introduce a bottle. In Janna’s case (see box above), for example, her fears about Justin starving were not merely about his physical well-being. She was feeling guilty for causing him to “suffer” and, I would wager, ambivalent about the whole process. Many breast-feeding mums have similar kinds of mixed feelings about giving their babies bottles.

Breast-feeding can be a very emotional experience for the mothers, especially when a mother decides she wants her life hack.



Taken from "The baby whisperer solves all your problems" P125-129
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I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2006, 02:28:37 am »
Thanks for that- i don't know how I missed that in the book.  i blame sleep deprived mommy brain!  Its reassuring to know that Tracy advocated what i basically planned to do anyway.  We'll start on Thursday- wish us luck!
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Re: Cold Turkey from breast to bottle? 3.5 month old
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2006, 05:37:14 am »
Good luck  ;D
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Re: Cold Turkey from breast to bottle? 3.5 month old
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2006, 16:35:33 pm »
Just in case anyone was wondering . . .
WE DID IT!
I bf dd at her 5 a.m. wakeup yesterday, and then that was it!  :'(
When she woke at 7, I offered her a bottle, she didn't scream but def. didn't want it either.  so, i just kept offering it, and she kept refusing, until about 8:30 when she got hungry.  Then she started to cry.  she was in her bouncy seat, so I just sat next to her, kept offering every few minutes, she'd cry, then at 8:45 she started sucking her fingers and fell asleep.  since I knew we were going to have a long day, I let her nap in her bouncy seat, and she woke at 9:15, cried, b/c by now she was HUNGRY, and then finally drank about 4 oz. at 9:30.  Really, it wasn't that bad. we continued with routine, she had her usual 1 hour nap at 10:30, woke at 11:30 and again I offered, she cried, for about 15 minutes, then she took it and drank 5 oz! After her next nap, she woke up screaming (i think she was having tummy trouble) then cried for about 10 min. before drinking the bottle.  At five, she took one oz. without crying, then didnt want anymore.  At bedtime, 7, she took 6 oz!!! and didn't fuss or cry at all!!!!  ;D  I was thrilled!  She woke at midnight and drank 4 oz without crying- she prob. would have had more, but since I'm going to be working on night wakings next, I don't want it to be a full feed.  then again at 5, again took 4 oz, and wanted more.  I gave her the binky and she babbled for an hour, slept for an hour then up for the day at 7:30.  Her morning bottle was about 4 oz, she took it without crying although she kept spitting it out, adn mouthing it, etc. (messy!!)  But now she will take bottles from me without a huge hassle! 
Things I did that were helpful (I think):
1. I had her in her bouncy chair facing me, with me stroking her face.  that way she wasn't next to the hoobies, and could see my face.  i talked to her very quietly, saying what a good girl, etc
2.  I used BM for the first feed, then added a little bit of formula to each feed after, so it was sweeter. (I used Good start formula also sweeter)
3.  I tried the fast and slow nipples, and I think she liked the slow ones b/c she has to work harder, like if she were bf'ing.
4.  I planned on getting nothing done all day, and going nowhere, then was pleasantly suprised that it wasn't too horrible!
So good luck to anyone else out there trying to give los bottles!

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I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2006, 16:38:00 pm »
FANTASTIC - well done you!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2007, 16:47:42 pm »
For the first time I can post a success story -

My DS is 7.5 months and while he would take a bottle at 2 months...when 3 months came along he refused. It just wasn't going to happen. I continued BF and then his teeth came in and he started to bite (as expected) and when he finally drew blood; I had enough. I was determined to get him on a bottle. I was done.

So I followed the Breast to Bottle method that Tracey recommends in her book. I fed him last at 4AM and then refused to give him anything but a bottle every hour on the hour once he was up for the day. It was a screaming match and he continually pushed the bottle away. I told DH is was going to be a long day and I also told him not to try to persuade me to give him the breast. I fed him his solids as normal but made sure not to give him an extra; if he wanted more I tried the bottle. Finally at 8PM he took 3 oz and then fell asleep shortly after that. He woke up around 10PM and I fed him again because I figured he was ravenous; he took 8 oz and fell back to sleep.

Tips that helped me:
- used EBM at the beginning and then slowly started to add formula to it
- warmed up the nipple
- made sure formula was warm
- re-read tracey's steps over and over and over throughout the day for encourangement (LOL)

Good luck to all of you who try this; consistency and strenght. You can do it.

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Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2007, 18:52:18 pm »
That is fantastic news, thanks for posting your sucess story - it will be reassuring to others to know that it can be done as long as you keep up the consistency.

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Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2007, 19:36:43 pm »
  :'( I only wish that my attempts had worked as well. My 7.5 month old took bottles occasionally at 2 or 3 months, then refused. I've decided that I need to get her taking a bottle as I would like the occasional evening off & also I don't want to breastfeed for ever! I started cold turkey yesterday after the morning feed. It is now just after bedtime on day 2 & my baby has hardly had any milk, maybe 1oz. She hardly tolerates even the teat going into her mouth & gets really upset. I've tried different bottles & teats & a Tommee Tippee cup, she'll drink water out of it, but not milk. Am using EBM, warming teat etc, etc. Don't think I can carry on much longer, am worried about her going without milk for so long. However, don't want to have gone through all this for nothing!

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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2007, 20:12:54 pm »
Hugs, keep persevering, it will get better.

I suggest that if you do have a night waking tonight, offer the bottle instead of the breast, if she is really hungry she will take it.  Also try the bottle first thing in the morning - this is when she is likely to be at her hungriest.

Good luck - remember, she will not starve herself, she will take to it when she is hungry enough.  She is just showing that she is not happy with what you are introducing.
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Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2007, 06:36:48 am »
 :'( Still no joy! Amazingly she didn't wake in the night! Tried bottle when she woke at 6a.m but refuses to even put it in her mouth. Tried spooning some in but she clamped her mouth shut again. Tried a cup & she took maybe 0.5 oz. I am concerned now that this is going on to day 3 with no milk.

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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2007, 15:15:14 pm »
 ;D :-* Just when I thought we'd never do it, success!! I was getting quite worried by Elin's lack of milk intake & she seemed much quieter than usual. I thought I would give it one last try at 8.30 a.m. & she took about 4oz with hardly any protest! So thanks for the encouragement! She has since taken another 4.5 oz without too much trouble, so will continue expressing and bottle feeding for rest of today & tomorrow, then hopefully I can then go to mixed feeding as I don't want to give up breastfeeding all together.

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2007, 18:58:19 pm »
That is fantastic news.  I am so pleased that she has taken the bottle.

Congrats, you did a great job with the perseverance.

Please keep us posted on how you get on with the combination feeding.
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2007, 02:44:13 am »
That's absolutely wonderful!!!
Good job.

I know in Tracey's book she does mention that some babies (grumpy/spirited) can be very stubborn and it could take a few days.

I'm happy for you.

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Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2007, 21:53:47 pm »
Hiya

I just wondered what bottles are you using?